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Old 15-09-2009, 12:17   #43
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Сообщение от ErkkiAntero
I did not mean that though that would actually be a good question to ask, what is the background of the Estonian criminals. Though in this chain such questions were not asked, but kind of assumed that they are Estonian. Isn't it actually so that a Russian could consider Russian speaking population in any country Russians, "nashi". And, of course, they donot like to think that the criminals are of Russian origin.

Yes, I agree it may be a question of competition betwen different groups of migrants. Russians have the need to prove that all the other migrant groups (Somali's, Estonians ... ) are bad for Finland but Russians instead are good. I stated that we cannot come to such conclusions reading the articles that the guys provided in the links. Those articles told about statistics according to which most of the foreigners that are suspected of a crime in Finland have Estonian citizenship. Numer two in statistic are Russian citizens. And then in an article was told that most of the crimes are pilferage. And based on such data, the opener of the topic proclaims that Estonian criminals are a big and serious threat to Finland.

I state that even though most Russians in Finland are nice and peaceful people (even though #2 in criminal stats), they still may pose a much bigger and more serious threat to Finland by just having a Russian citizenship and speaking Russian. That is because of the Kremlin policy that is getting confirmed by the new Russian law, according to which the Russian army, without getting specific permission from the government, has the right to cross the Russian border and go defend Russian citizens abroad. Everyone knows that Estonia is one of the first countries being under the threat of being occupied by the Russian army (again). And Finland is too, it really is a serious risk and threat to have any Russian citizens living in Finland (or other EU countries). I think, even though theoretical at the moment, this problem still should be taken at least as seriously as the pilferages committed by Estonian. And actually, when we think about crime, it does not matter what nationality the criminal is, we should stop ANYONE committing crimes. Using statistics as a weapon agains a group of people is very unfounded. Citizenship does not have anything to do with it, instead in my example it can be a very crucial factor. But still I think we should not use it against nice and peaceful individual citizens but the problems should be solved in the political level.

Oh, you meant russo-finnish estophobia. Well, they should check the background because if the guy's name is Vasily Ivanov and he has Estonian citizenship, then I don't think he will agree to be called Estonian. "Nashi" is a word which means "ours" and yes, any Russian who lives outside Russia can be considered that and more broadly Ukrainians and Belarussians could also fall in to this category in the sense of cultural, linguistical similarity.

To be perfectly honest I have no idea what is happening in Finland in terms of relationships between different ethnic groups. I was in Finland for couple of days just over a week ago and Finland in general seemed like a very peaceful and quiet country with a very small proportion of immigrants from Africa, Asia or Estonia and Russia compared to, for example, the UK. But what I have noticed on this forum is that some Russian-speaking users here are quite negative about immigration to Finland from Estonia, because for some reason they consider themselves to be Finns, even though they too immigrated to Finland from Russia. They might be of Ingermanland or Karelian background, but their mentality is rather Russian then Finnish in my opinion. With regards to Estonian citizens being a threat to Finland, then I would disagree with that on a basis that I am an Estonian citizen and I have friends who are Estonian citizens, highly educated and qualified with income above average by Estonian standards and for people like that there is no need to steal. It's only the poor people who will steal and those who are not used to work to earn their living. In addition petty crimes like pilferage could hardly be a serious threat to Finland, but as the standards of living of the poor Estonian citizens will rise, so will decrease the crime rates.
 
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